You're Not Selling Rate, You're Selling You - Aaron Kramer
From getting fired just months into his first mortgage job to building a reputation as the guy clients trust for life, Aaron Kramer’s story is proof that resilience, identity, and intention matter more than any rate sheet.
In this episode, Aaron breaks down how he:
• Built his career around long-term relationships, not one-time transactions
• Learned that the real sale isn’t the rate — it’s you
• Differentiated himself instantly in a high-pressure panel interview
• Got hired on the spot… then fired three months later
• Faced financial rock bottom when COVID hit and retail commissions disappeared
• Bet on himself by bringing clients over to the broker side
• Funded his first broker deals and completely changed his trajectory
• Developed thick skin through repeated setbacks and market downturns
• Turned honesty and confidence into a powerful client retention advantage
• Expanded beyond mortgage into business financing, credit solutions, and new ventures
• Built a personal brand centered on health, wealth, and helping others win
• Believes the only way to truly find yourself is to go through hell
If you’ve ever struggled through a slow season, questioned your path, or wondered what separates transactional salespeople from trusted advisors — this episode is a masterclass in mindset, persistence, and becoming the person clients never want to leave.
Guest: Aaron Kramer — Mortgage Advisor and Entrepreneur
📍 California
IG (Personal): @akphysique
⏱️ Timestamps
00:00 Cold open – “You’re family now”
02:15 Selling trust, not the deal
06:40 The panel interview that changed everything
10:22 “I was fired three months later”
14:05 COVID, rock bottom, and almost losing it all
18:30 Switching to the broker side and funding first deals
23:10 Why clients stay even when rates aren’t the lowest
28:45 Building thick skin through downturns
34:12 Expanding into business credit and new ventures
40:05 “You don’t know who you are until you go through hell”
43:30 Aaron’s mission moving forward
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